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Oh, who could possibly have predicted this?

Why is everybody so surprised? I literally do not understand this.



What I don't understand is sentiment like yours. We shouldn't bring this up because "everyone knows already"? No, we should be shouting this from the roof tops and do everything we can to make people mad enough about it to act. What is your solution? Sit back and look smug while the world falls apart around us?


Some of us have been shouting for the rooftops until hoarse for the last decade and more. Suddenly everybody's reacting (and I don't mean everybody here - I mean the New York Bloody Times) like this is the very first time this has ever come up.


Good. Our only hope is that one of this "just discovered today!" waves is big enough to affect actual change. Your initial statement only serves as a "shut up and move along". How do you imagine that helps anything?

It may be cool to say "I knew this already" but I'd rather be less cool and have something done about this.


I'd say rather that you took it as a "shut up and move along". Others didn't. So it may have been a less than perfectly effective expression of my intent, but that's as far as I'll go.


mad enough to act how, precisely?


If enough people want something they will find a way to make it happen, one way or another.

There are many possible ways to affect change. For example, since all the existing politicians are so awful, the best choice might be to simply become politicians ourselves. If enough people did that at the same time we would have a chance.

Obviously things like peaceful demonstrations are a waste of time, but there are active and effective things you can do that are completely legal.


For some reason, everyone is convinced that this is the sort of thing Republicans do. The very suggestion that the Obama administration is, in fact, on the right wing of the political spectrum is shocking to many of his supporters.


For some reason, you missed that this IS something Republicans do. It started in 2005, well before Obama took office.


I suppose my wording is a bit ambiguous. It is not that Republicans don't do this, but rather than they are not unique in doing this.


Cannot speak for everybody, but I, for one, while not surprised, still need to know the facts -- the difference between what can happen and what has actually happened is important.


Are you suggesting that everyone should just ignore it and continue with their lives... ?

Just because I'm not surprised, doesn't mean I shouldn't be outraged.




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