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If this was an incident in Europe, comments like this would be talking about how clearly the state is corrupt, it’s account cannot be trusted, and obviously civilisation is collapsing because free speech outside of the US is dead. “You can be arrested for zines!”

Inside the US though? No, clearly the state’s account is definitely accurate, the citizen is obviously guilty, it’s not only correct they are being jailed it is actually good, free speech - oh it’s not relevant because they committed unrelated crimes (we’re told. By the state’s account).

US propaganda/copaganda on its own citizens really is something else to behold



Yeah I feel like I’m going insane reading some of these comments.


HN swings pretty far right.


Not sure how you're getting this. 90% of these comments are as left leaning as they come.


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I think fascism is just a symptom. People here do the same thing with Apple for example. Yesterday, I could induce cognitive dissonance quite easily, the same way when they encounter irrevocable fact against their faith in fascism. The exact same reaction with their faith in Apple.

But I understand, they are disappointed in democracy, and when they should disappoint in the thing which is presented them as the exact opposite, there would be nothing, and that’s scary. Of course, they fucked up their belief system at the first place, where they started to think about democracies in a black and white way.

The same thing with Apple. They disappointed in Google, then Apple. Then what kind of phone can you choose?

I have two 5 years oldish nieces. And looking back to kids’ world, almost everything (but that “almost” is quite new) teaches them to view the world as black and white, when most of the things are grey. I’m not sure that I ever got a teaching which tries to help this contradiction. How to choose between two wrongs. Many will base their choice on faith, and since their conditioning taught them that there is only black and white, something needs to be white. No matter what.


Someone has to be on the wrong side of history!


> US propaganda/copaganda on its own citizens really is something else to behold

I live in the deep south. It's so much worse than you think. I regularly have people argue with me that they don't deserve to have nice things (like paid vacation) because someone, somewhere, might get something they don't deserve. You know, those government employees are lazy and get paid for doing nothing.

It's bizarre to an extreme. Mixed with the constant anger makes it particularly repulsive. I'll notice that everyone simultaneously seems angry about the same issue all at once. And it's almost always an issue that has no affect on them whatsoever. But they are _angry_ because someone is getting something they don't deserve.

It's worse than you can imagine.


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"Terrorist" is a floating signifier; it is not a term used by educated people intending other educated adults to discuss it. It's a term used by either the cynical or the dimwitted to elicit emotional responses from an audience that's commensurately ignorant or cruel. Saying "ah they deserved it because they were terrorists" is begging the question.


I agree but trump pardoned 1600 of them! Sucks? I agree.




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