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It's interesting you say that because the only group most agree is helped by HFT is retail investors, because you are getting a much better price on trades and aren't moving the market.

Edit: If you want a high level overview, there's this article: https://origin-www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-25/-fl...

Or just go find spread sizes in say 1990 or 1995, notice that they are far larger.

Edit 2: Also, HFTs can't see your orders before they hit the market, despite what everyone seems to think after reading flash boys. And the idea that HFTs mostly do latency arbitrage is flat out wrong as well.



> Also, HFTs can't see your orders before they hit the market, despite what everyone seems to think after reading flash boys. And the idea that HFTs mostly do arbitrage is flat out wrong as well.

Not true: https://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2015-164.html


You do realize that this is actual frontrunning, as in a broker frontrunning its clients, and not arbitrage on the market or an HFT getting a sneak peak at the order feed from say NYSE?

Also, this is a dark pool literally operated by an HFT - I'm referring to the lit market under SEC regulation. This pool isn't even available to retail traders, not to say that excuses frontrunning. Their punishment was fairly light as well, unfortunately.

Edit: It looks like ITG is a tech provider that illicitly used info from the dark pool to run a trading desk. If you look at their disclosures on prop trading, it seems their trading was minor and linked to their frontrunning operation. I think most if not all of the prop trading they do is shut down.

I've also edited my parent post to be more clear.


Here's another one from just last week: https://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2017-11.html That doesn't explicitly mention frontrunning but it's guaranteed that's what they were doing. These guys aren't dumb.

By "arbitrating broken market rules" I meant that these HFT firms are exploiting our dysfunctional market system at no risk to themselves (like Virtu's single-day loss in a 6 year period). They engage in things like quote stuffing which incidentally increases volatility, decreases liquidity and leads to higher trading costs.

For quote stuffing in particular the SEC investigated and decided to do nothing. The SEC is fully incompetent as the ITG and Citadel slap-on-the-wrist fines for outright illegal activity further demonstrate.

My point about HFT firms being frontrunning scams is basically true.




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